I was trying to use Oligio, but I thought it was a new machine with the same principle. Thermage was very effective, but it was too expensive, so I tried to make it a little cheaper, but I'm not sure yet. I was relieved because they said it wouldn't hurt at all, but it was warm at first, but then it got so hot that it felt like I was getting burned. I guess it's because my skin is thin and I don't have facial fat... I heard the full effect will start to appear after 10 days, so I'll have to wait.